Insomnia (insomnia) wrote,

Future American lawyers to be proud of.

... and Alberto Gonzales.

Alberto Gonzales spoke before law students at Georgetown today, justifying illegal, unauthorized surveilance of US citizens, but during the course of his speech the students in class did something pretty ballsy and brave. They got up from their seats and turned their backs to him.

To make matters worse for Gonzales, additional students came into the room, wearing black cowls and carrying a simple banner, written on a sheet.

Fortunately for him, it was a brief speech... followed by a panel discussion that basically ripped his argument a new asshole.

And, as one of the people on the panel said,

"When you're a law student, they tell you if say that if you can't argue the law, argue the facts. They also tell you if you can't argue the facts, argue the law. If you can't argue either, apparently, the solution is to go on a public relations offensive and make it a political issue... to say over and over again "it's lawful", and to think that the American people will somehow come to believe this if we say it often enough.

In light of this, I'm proud of the very civil civil disobedience that was shown here today."

- David Cole, Georgetown University Law Professor

It was a good day for dissent.
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Here in the UK, the vast majority of us have been despairing of American domestic and foreign policy for some time, and the seeming lack of any kind of visible protest from the American people about the erosion of their civil liberties. Our UK politicians often blindly follow your precedents, so your country's continuing, and all but unhindered, stampede towards an unquestionable dictatorship is somewhat un-nerving for us.

This kind of civil disobedience against the worst kind of steamroller politics ('Say it loud enough and often enough and it becomes true') gives us hope that the tide could still turn.

They should all be VERY proud.

The reason you don't hear about the protesting is that the Corporation now owns the newspapers and the networks...they control what news you hear...and they are in bed with the neocons...we are so screwed!
Woowoo! Go them!



January 25 2006, 12:18:14 UTC 12 years ago

This is what America should always be.
rock n roll
thank God for the Youth of Amerika

I saw your post on Boing Boing
even hough I friended you some time back on LJ

This just makes me want to run in the streets and protest
too bad Hillary hasnt done squat
DEAN rocks

thanks for you post and enlightening all of us

listening to democracy now
Gonzales fled the scene like a wimp
he needs to be jailed
What is disgusting is that Tuesday evening's NPR coverage, at least on WAMU (88.5 in the DC area) did NOT mention the additional students and the banner, only the "few" students who stood and turned their backs to him... then they proceeded to allow him several minutes of air time to talk his B.S. and lies about how the administration justifies it's spying.

Has NPR joined the corporate owned media mis-information scene?
It's been years since NPR did the kind of reporting they used to. And they seem to get more conservative every day. It would be nice to have the old NPR back.

Re: NPR on the corporate media bandwagon?


12 years ago

>> Alberto Gonzales spoke before law students at Georgetown today, justifying
>>illegal, unauthorized surveilance of US citizens,

appear to be illegal, despite the rhetoric. Where was the same hand-wringing over Clinton doing this?
One of the lamest right-wing talking-points ever, and that's saying something. (Almost as bad as the non-existent Democrats who "took money from Jack Abramoff".)

Clinton didn't do this. The example case that Gonzales pulled out of his ass to "justify" this outrage on the basis of "...but Bubba did it too!" was surveillance conducted on a CIA official who signed away his right to privacy when he accepted the job. Slight difference between that and spying on ordinary Americans - and make no mistake, that's what's happened. Even the vaguest, flimsiest suspicion of terrorist activity would be enough to easily secure a FISA warrant, even days after the fact. The ONLY reason they would need to avoid the FISA system is if they knew damn well that national security was not the reason for the spying. Hence, what this guy is spewing is complete, unadulterated B.S.

Bush LIED directly to the American public about the fact that they were doing this at all - and now we're supposed to just take his word that he's been breaking the law unnecessarily only to spy on "terrorists"? You must be joking.



January 25 2006, 13:51:48 UTC 12 years ago

These students really accomplished a lot! Good for them!
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January 25 2006, 14:57:27 UTC 12 years ago

I support them and am glad they did it, but how was this ballsy?
Well done, Georgetown students !!! I will even forgive you for the basketball victory over my beloved Duke Blue Devils.
AMAZING! I got chills looking at this
Permalinked. And amazing.
Good to see that the debate is alive, well, and in the faces of our leadership in spite of their gross inattention to and denial of all opinions other than their own.

I have rarely seen so much single-minded propagandist strides on so weak a platform as those that the Bush administration keeps walking around this town...

good for those students. Now if they can actually hold on to those ethics, even better.
Admire the law students act of defiance by turning their faces away and let Gonzalez talk to their would have added to the effectiveness of their message if they followed that by letting him speak to an empty hall by walking away
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