Insomnia (insomnia) wrote,

Future American lawyers to be proud of.

... and Alberto Gonzales.

Alberto Gonzales spoke before law students at Georgetown today, justifying illegal, unauthorized surveilance of US citizens, but during the course of his speech the students in class did something pretty ballsy and brave. They got up from their seats and turned their backs to him.

To make matters worse for Gonzales, additional students came into the room, wearing black cowls and carrying a simple banner, written on a sheet.

Fortunately for him, it was a brief speech... followed by a panel discussion that basically ripped his argument a new asshole.

And, as one of the people on the panel said,

"When you're a law student, they tell you if say that if you can't argue the law, argue the facts. They also tell you if you can't argue the facts, argue the law. If you can't argue either, apparently, the solution is to go on a public relations offensive and make it a political issue... to say over and over again "it's lawful", and to think that the American people will somehow come to believe this if we say it often enough.

In light of this, I'm proud of the very civil civil disobedience that was shown here today."

- David Cole, Georgetown University Law Professor

It was a good day for dissent.
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I'd clap if you could hear me do so.
I got linked here offa someone else's journal, and I just wanted to say that this gives me a big burst of hope for humanity. Thank you.

Oh yeah.


January 25 2006, 18:19:09 UTC 11 years ago

Oh yeah, god Bless young american.. ;) In fact, I'm pretty sure young people all around the world would revolt against this. unauthorized surveilance is totally unaceptable.. Thanks to people like Mr. Bush, we live in a world where the government is trying to make us like in a "Big Brother" like society.

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This makes me very happy, and given where it happened, gives me some much-needed hope for this country.


January 25 2006, 18:49:45 UTC 11 years ago

wiretapping ? surveilance ?

didn't the US loathe communism ? how ironic !



January 25 2006, 19:10:47 UTC 11 years ago

maybe things will start to move - FINALLY - back in the right direction. If ENOUGH PEOPLE make stands like this using peaceful civil might help turn the tide of this nastiness before it becomes too late, and the current administration has its evil tendrils into everything and takes over forever and ever. Don't laugh, it might happen.

During the Clinton Administration, we were (allegedly) not at war, despite his declaring a War on Terror of his own.

Yet his Justice Department rolled tanks into a compound at Waco, killing 76 innocent men, women, and children, with no compelling reason to do so other than "we heard there might have been child abuse going on".

The Branch Davidians never had posed any credible threat to our country or way of life, certainly not compared to Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Iraq, or Iran.

"I take full responsibility" ultimately claimed, which ultimately meant: nothing.

Fast forward a few years to an armed assault upon a quiet Florida household early in the morning, with a semi-automatic weapon famously pointed directly in a child's face, for the express purpose of abducting that child (from a family who was given care of the child by the INS) prior to a court hearing to determine appropriate legalities, in order to relocate the child to a fascist dictatorship run by a well-known murderous tyrant.

Elian Gonzalez remains a de-facto prisoner in Cuba, but was he, or his family, any threat, at any time, to any American, justifying that quasi-military action?


Yes, wiretapping bugs me. My privacy being invaded bugs me. (Puns intentional.) But that happens all the time, when the State is called upon to defend the "rights" of people against things like sexual harrassment, for example.

But I'll take the .000001% likelihood that Bush&co are wiretapping me now, on the theory that I've got "terrorist ties" (which I don't), over the much greater (and demonstrably harmful) likelihood that gun-control-promoting Socialist weazels masquerading as "rights-loving Democrats" will have their armed thugs invade my house, point weapons at me, and maybe even pull the trigger, simply because I'm a Christian (which I am), I care about children (which I do), or I wish to free people from slavery (also true).

Get some perspective, people. Learn to turn your backs on TRUE evil as well, not just on those who appear to thumb their noses at comparative legal niceties when they legitimately (if perhaps foolishly) believe it's necessary to defend life, limb, and liberty.
1. You terribly over simplify the raid on the Davidian compound. The Davidians had enough artillary to repel the initial raid, and, interestingly enough, the warrent for the raid was for violation of federal weapons statues.

2. Are you telling us to get some "perspective" by comparing the deaths of 76 people and the legal deportation of 1 small child to the actions of the current administration that resulted in the deaths of over 10,000 innocent Iraqi citizens, 2,200 Americans and over 16,000 American wounded???

You're correct. There is a little perspective to be needed here, but I'm pretty damn sure we're not the ones that need it.
I work for attorney's in a marketing capacity and find them mostly self-serving, egotistical, contemptuous of and completely cut-off from the staff that works for them. I wonder how many of these future attorneys will carry their beliefs with them as they begin to prosper and become a part of the establishment. I can only hope (given the utter apathy towards speaking out and standing up for what you believe in - except for the religious fundamentalists and the crooks in the white house), that they will continue to be conscientious about preserving our privacy and individual rights here in America (other than gun control). We are looking more and more like those countries we criticize so harshly for offenses again their own people (spying and torture are no longer unacceptable in the upper eschelons of our government).
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Done. Sorry.


11 years ago


January 25 2006, 20:07:49 UTC 11 years ago

Good! I hate seeing people try to steal the rights of the American people. I hope he was embarassed.
After 38 years in the millitary I say thank god some young people have the balls to due what is right,and future lawyers no less
Why is it when the government's power is used to steal property from one person and give it to another (social security / welfare) it is acceptable. But when it is prudently used to safeguard the saftey of its citizens in a time of war it is critized? Remember it was the father of social-welfare FDR that committed the largest "wartime" crime in United States history, the internment of thousands of ethnic Japanese United States Citizens.

The current President is trying to keep tabs on a multitude of non U.S. cititzens and resident aliens.

lighten up.
Lighten up yourself. Tell me what the government can do for us that we cannot do better and I'll prove you wrong.
Awesome! It's good to see students with strong beliefs and backbones.


January 25 2006, 20:16:15 UTC 11 years ago

NPR reported that about as many students who turned their backs in protest to the speech, applauded and cheered at the end of it. Now, that's sad. And scary.
I hope they run for politics sometime. We could use people like these right about now.
This is real patriotism. The spirit of America is the spirit of dissent. God bless 'em, and thanks for posting this.
Hooray for civil disobedience!!! Stick it to the agents of social control!!!
Civil disobedience involves breaking injust laws. No laws were broken by the demonstrators in this case. It's not civil disobedience.

However, it does make me glad to see people doing the right thing. I'm looking forward to doing a little expat protesting myself when the local dignitary comes through.
can you send me a source for this article!?

I'd love to take it up with the AP.

This "right to privacy" is a myth and veil for those who do things abnormally, unethicaly or just shameful. Shame is now being trumped by the "right to be as preverse as the supreme court will take it" is a great right for the indivual but a serious threat to the cohesion of society.

Does anyone else appreciate the irony of this comment being posted anonymously?

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These kids have all been brainwashed by idiot democratic professors. They look like disrespectful self-righteous fools.
Looks like YOU are the one who must have been brainwashed, probably by Rush Limbaugh, O'Reilly or their ilk.
That is awesome!



January 25 2006, 21:13:35 UTC 11 years ago

I'm so glad I go here lol. Somehow i hadn't heard about it though... i'm sure it will come up
That was a bold and commendable statement from them. Let's see if any of them remember what they did as students, later on in life, when they themselves become judges and politicians. Will they fall into Bushistanese rhetorics or will they have the courage and honnesty to empeach the Government themselves?
Georgetown has more public interest minded liberals than you may expect. That slice of the population you saw at the protest isn't going Bushy anytime soon.
I've observed that a lot of people in the states, epecially students, feel they can't make much difference or a change, that they feel like so much corralled sheep. I'm glad to see that these students -do- understand that they ARE the future, and when they stand up and speak out like they did in this instance, heads really do turn. it's a wonderful thing to see.

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