Insomnia ([info]insomnia) wrote,
@ 2005-08-24 06:58:00
Previous Entry  Add to memories!  Tell a Friend  Next Entry
Working out the details on a few high-tech problems...
I'm officially excited about the newest DVD recorders out there, after hearing about Hitachi's new model, which can record one terrabyte of data on to a pair of two 500 GB hard drives, and record high definition television to DVD.

Basically, it's like a TiVo that can record programs straight to DVD or archive them on the hard drives. In the case of the Hitachi, you have a whole terrabyte of space available, which may sound like a lot right now, but won't be once high definition television is commonplace.

One of the exciting things to me is that DVD recorders generally have a firewire input, which would allow me to easily archive video from my digital camcorder, but what I'm wondering is whether I could also use it to record video from my computer. I'm still looking for a simple, elegant method of recording things like bittorrented fansub anime (or all those Doctor Who episodes that they aren't showing over in the states yet...) so that I can watch it on the front room TV, or while cuddling in bed, rather than on a computer screen. If I could go from firewire to a DVD recorder, that might do the trick.

I'm still a bit negative about recordable DVDs in general, however. As a recording medium, they're quite limited in space, as indicated by this article. It chafes at me that I can record a buttload of compressed video files on my computer, but if I want to make them viewable on a standard DVD player, I essentially need to convert those small files to a much larger DVD player-friendly format in order to see it. It's like going from a nice, small .mp3 to the bigass .cda format they use on standard CDs. If we're talking about just compressed digital files, I could digitally archive a whole season of pretty much any program onto a single DVD, but they wouldn't play on a standard DVD player, of course.

If I want to transfer files on to a DVD that is viewable on any standard DVD player, that means having to record no more than three or four episodes on to a single disc. At a dollar a DVD, creating an archive of a hundred episode anime series would cost you around $33... and if you were archiving something like an hour an episode TV show with 25 episodes a season, that would be $25.

That can get expensive really damn quick.

What I really *could* use is a consumer device that played compressed video files to my TV, in the same way that an MP3 CD player can play burnt MP3 CDs. Someone make one of these for me... and figure out a way for it to download all the latest codecs and video filters too, while you're at it.

That said, seemingly the best alternative for playing downloaded video to a TV would be to have a computer server (with accompanying fan noises) everywhere there's a TV that I would like to watch shows on. These servers would presumably use WiFi to download my video files to their hard drive, as I suspect trying to play a file from an external drive in real time over WiFi would be jumpy and tempermental. It would also tend to suck if the drive in question was being used for anything else at the time, such as recording another program using BitTorrent.

Of course, there's always the simple, dirty solution I loathe to do. Obviously, my house needs more *really* long cables running everywhere...


(21 comments) - (Post a new comment)


[info]tsutton
2005-08-24 03:00 pm UTC (link)
Is that for DVD+RW disc? If so, it seems to be a bit expensive.

If you shop around you can find a cheap one.

I usually shop at http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk - they sell DVD+RW for just 39p each - that's $0.70 USD from a tub of 10 disc for under £3.98.

(Reply to this) (Thread)


[info]insomnia
2005-08-24 03:15 pm UTC (link)
You can, of course, get them at a lower price if you shop around, but even at 70 cents a pop, you're still talking about $20 or so worth of discs to record a single season of an hour-long television series. Given a household of three people here, I could imagine spending $500 a year on DVDs, which is more than I would like.

(Reply to this) (Parent)


[info]paul
2005-08-24 03:53 pm UTC (link)
Modded X-box loaded with software to play avi's and stuff, load it and run it straight through your tv? I've seen it done, you can even pull the files straight off your computer to the x-box using a standard LAN. Would be an easier way than lots of wires etc. I'm planning on attempting it myself when I have the money.

(Reply to this) (Thread)


[info]insomnia
2005-08-24 05:29 pm UTC (link)
Good idea, though I wish there was a commercial product that did this out of the box. I'll look into it. If you hear anything more about the details on the mod, please let me know.

(Reply to this) (Parent)


[info]futuredirt
2005-08-24 05:31 pm UTC (link)
I have this set up in my living room and it works brilliantly. My wife and I are currently watching Seasons 2-7 of Charmed, half a dozen movies, and we just finished Season 5 of Six Feet Under. I personally love that we can sit on the couch for a whole day and never once have to get up (except for when other forces demand it). All the files are stored on an 80GB internal hard drive and the DVD drive can also played the burned DVDs. The noise is minimal and the enjoyment is endless.

I transfer all my files from my Windows box (and I haven't tried it yet, but I also understand I can stream video from it as well). Who needs a DVD playeer??

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]insomnia
2005-08-24 05:49 pm UTC (link)
Sounds very good indeed. I wonder whether it could be done with an external drive, however, as it could make it much more convenient for transferring video files from my main PC and then just carrying them over to the TV.

Can you either reply with or email me more details on this? You can contact me at insomnia at livejournal.com .

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]futuredirt
2005-08-29 10:25 pm UTC (link)
I shot you an email, but didn't get a response so I'm not sure if it went through.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]insomnia
2005-08-29 10:27 pm UTC (link)
No, unfortunately. Maybe something in it caught the attention of my spam filter. Gah.

Try resending it to markkraft@ yahoo.com instead. Thanks!

(Reply to this) (Parent)


[info]tongodeon
2005-08-24 04:01 pm UTC (link)
At a dollar a DVD, creating an archive of a hundred episode anime series would cost you around $33... and if you were archiving something like an hour an episode TV show with 25 episodes a season, that would be $25.

That can get expensive really damn quick.


Compared to what? Buying the box set from Amazon?

$1 per 90 minutes is cheap for ANY form of entertainment.

(Reply to this) (Thread)


[info]insomnia
2005-08-24 05:27 pm UTC (link)
Most of the stuff I would burn is stuff you can't buy commercially... and yes, I think $1 for recording 90 minutes onto a plastic disc is very expensive, considering that you can buy VHS tape for about 50 cents which stores four times that duration.

And yes, sure DVDs have a better picture and are more convenient, but when you're already recording from a compressed video format anyway, the quality isn't going to matter as much.

Although DVDs store a great deal of data, as far as hours of programming goes, they're actually as, if not more, expensive than their obsolete 1970s counterpart. That's why I would ideally prefer a commercial player that had support for .avi and other formats, or, failing that, something like this modded x-box that Paul suggests.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]futuredirt
2005-08-24 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Not only is transcoding avis to mpeg timeconsuming, but there is massive potential for introducing alot of artifacting and thereby reducing the quality to crap if you don't do it right. Go with the XBox, it is at the moment the best option. Let me know if you go this route and I can help you out.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

You're shopping in the wrong stores. ;-)
[info]low_key
2005-08-24 05:32 pm UTC (link)
www.rima.com

4x Princo white top DVD-R disks are $0.26 each if you order 100. A little less if you order more.

4X Ritek is also a good brand, I think they were in the $0.30 range.

I've used both, but I tend to use the Princo more just because they are cheaper and haven't given me any problems with my burner and players.

If you want to really read up on it, check out the forums at www.afterdawn.com. Everything you could ever want to know about ripping and burning... well... everything is there. (What companies have the best quality control/dye, where to find hacked firmware for your burner...whatever.) That's the site that taught me how to do it and that's the site I send everyone to anytime they want to learn.

(Reply to this) (Thread)

Re: You're shopping in the wrong stores. ;-)
[info]insomnia
2005-08-24 06:43 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the lead on where to get DVD-Rs. I've been meaning to buy in bulk, but I haven't used DVD-Rs much yet, which is why I have traditionally paid higher prices.

I've checked out afterdawn before when I was googling some information, but I forgot the URL, so it's good to have!

(Reply to this) (Parent)

Re: You're shopping in the wrong stores. ;-)
[info]baseballump
2005-08-24 11:12 pm UTC (link)
Ritek discs are very good.
I've had some issues with Princo, but I know other who had no problems with them.
www.newegg.com ususally have pretty good prices on Ritek discs.

(Reply to this) (Parent)


[info]flying_blind
2005-08-25 04:00 am UTC (link)
You need to build yourself (or get someone to build for you) a petabox such as the Internet Archive is building for its own use (instructions are in the "Open Source Specs" post by BeatriceM.) You could probably archive years of HD television on it.

(Reply to this) (Thread)


[info]insomnia
2005-08-25 11:47 am UTC (link)
I know Beatrice M., who posted the info about the petabox. (She's on LiveJournal, actually!)

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]flying_blind
2005-08-25 02:23 pm UTC (link)
I've been spending a lot of time poking around the Internet Archive lately. Lots of interesting stuff there. It's like being able to explore everybody's attic.

One of the first things I thought when I heard about the petabox (I think it was in a post at [info]jdlasicadarknet) was whether it might be possible for a number of adjacent households to share such a device through a local wireless network, kind of like a neighborhood digital library. Users could also have private personal sections on it, and then share all sorts of other content among themselves on common sections. Nobody would ever run out of hard drive space again.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]insomnia
2005-08-25 03:05 pm UTC (link)
"Nobody would ever run out of hard drive space again."

Until the RIAA confiscates the neighborhood petabox because the teenager down the street had illegal Metallica mp3s...

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]flying_blind
2005-08-26 04:40 am UTC (link)
What, there are teenagers still listening to Metallica? We're doomed!

(Reply to this) (Parent)


[info]lafinjack
2005-08-25 05:07 am UTC (link)
...one terrabyte of data on to a pair of two 500 GB hard drives...

Math is great, isn't it? ;)

(Reply to this)


[info]legolas
2005-08-27 08:23 pm UTC (link)
This sort of thing should kill your wiring problems, no?

http://www.smarthome.com/avvidtrns.html

(Reply to this)


(21 comments) - (Post a new comment)

Create an Account
Forgot your login or password?
Login w/ OpenID
English • Español • Deutsch • Русский…