Insomnia ([info]insomnia) wrote,
@ 2004-12-08 14:39:00
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Rumsfeld inspliars the troops!
When Rumsfeld talked to soldiers in Kuwait, he probably didn't expect to be put on the spot about how he's absolutely failed to provide them with adequate armor and equipment.

Fortunately, he's got answers. Four years into the Bush administration, the reason for these problems is clear!

It's *STILL* Clinton's fault!

"As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time..."

Of course, our government *KNEW* we'd be going to war just days after 9/11... so you'd think that nearly forty months later, things would be improved, and we'd have armored personnel carriers for troops that were, you know... armored.

When these answers didn't quiet the dissent from the soldiers, Rumsfeld accused them of being young rabblerousers who picked on the elderly...

"Now settle down, settle down. Hell, I'm an old man, and it's early in the morning."

Rumsfeld also pointed out that armor can be hazardous to your health.

"If you think about it, you can have all the armor in the world on a tank and a tank can be blown up. And you can have an up-armored Humvee and it can be blown up..."

Gee. Why armor anything at all, when it can be blown up? Cast off your body armor, soldiers!

Personally, I always thought that the idea was that the Humvees and the tanks were replaceable, myself... but that soldiers (i.e. someone's son, daughter, father, mother, friend, etc.) weren't. Silly me.

Rumsfeld did crow about how the most powerful country in the world is able to upgrade about 400 armored vehicles a month, however. Wow... that's like 13 a day. USA! USA! Really impressive when you figure we have billions of dollars to spend on this task that are just sitting around collecting dust.

I know how we can easily double that number. We need to hire the A-Team, McGuyver, and the people over at Junkyard Wars and Battlebots and let them loose. Maybe we can even hire the Aussies who did "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome"... we'd have those vehicles armored in no time!

Bush has another alternative though, since reenforced armor is, apparently, an explosive substance. Spiritual armor! It's not Iraqis we're fighting after all, but Satan himself... and he's in Falluja! (Or at least he was...) Simply gird your loins with truth, strap on your breastplate of righteousness, take the shield of faith, and don your helmet of salvation... how hard is that?!

Or, as Specialist Pepin of the New York National Guard says,
"It's kind of like an act of faith. When you get in your vehicle, you just hope, you know. Say a little prayer before you go out."

See?! It works!


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[info]pecunium
2004-12-08 11:00 pm UTC (link)
We are expendable.

Most of us accept it. But, and this is the part that sticks in lots of craws, that spending has to be worth it. To get us killed, for no good purpose (Balaclava, anyone?) is worse than criminal, it is a blunder.

The Muntinies of 1917 were not because the poilus were being killed, but becase they saw themselves as killed to no purpose.

TK

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[info]tlma0204114
2004-12-08 11:15 pm UTC (link)
I actually laughed out loud reading this. Thank you. We joked about Mad Max vehicles everytime we did a drug deal to get some up-armor kits or spare parts, or hajji-fied metal doors for our soft-skins.

Prayers? Heh. Yeah, most of us said them at some point when getting into the vehicles.

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[info]insomnia
2004-12-09 10:26 am UTC (link)
It's especially ludicrous that Rumsfeld is still (and probably somewhat successfully) blaming Clinton for our military's woes.

Given that we knew combat was inevitable since September 2001 and it's now December 2004, perhaps a bit of perspective as to just how long a period of time 39 months actually is would be useful...

December, 1941 - Pearl Harbor. Destruction of US Pacific fleet and 160 US aircraft. Invasion of Philippines -- US forces retreat to Bataan/Corregidor. Eventually, over 80,000 US soldiers surrender or die. Japanese attack Hong Kong and other British holdings in Asia, leading to the surrender of over 15,000 troops. Destruction of British Pacific fleet. Invasion of Wake, Guam, and Southeast Asia. Germans besiege Leningrad, advance to the outskirts of Moscow. Threaten to overrun Egypt.

March, 1945 - US firebombs Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka and Kobe. Complete mop-up operations on Iwo Jima. Land unopposed and recapture Manila, cutting off the remaining Japanese defenders in Luzon. Seize islands off the coast of Okinawa in preparation for a major assault. US Army captures Munich, Cologne, Weisbaden, Frankfurt, Koblenz, and establishes a major bridgehead across the Rhine. Tens of thousands of German soldiers are cut off and taken prisoner. Over 300,000 German soldiers are cut off in the Ruhr. Russians capture Danzig, surround Koenigsburg, and seize the last source of petroleum for the Germans in Hungary.

A lot can happen in 39 months, given the proper motivation.

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[info]shortindiangirl
2004-12-08 11:16 pm UTC (link)
I love this post. Exactly my thoughts. Naah. Not even close. You say it much better. I was just praising the Lord (yea, the same right winged one that thinks abortion is such a sin, but that the Iraqi life is ok to take!) that Rumsfield made such an ass of himself.

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[info]freetothink
2004-12-09 12:43 am UTC (link)
we oughtta just create the super serum and create captain america!

he'll take care of those pesky terrorists!

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[info]spacemind67
2004-12-09 01:28 am UTC (link)
I don't know if you saw it, but it was quite amusing to see that on video when Rummy was asked the question.

He grabbed his coffee cup IMMEDIATELY like a baby grabbing their bottle after a very sudden case of colic. It was classic sound bite material even if it won't be showed again.

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[info]jamesla
2004-12-09 04:22 am UTC (link)
I'm glad my humvee is up armored. OH YEAH, ONLY TWO DOORS ARE UP-ARMORED. TURNS OUT WHERE THE MEDIC SITS IS NOT "PRIORITY".

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(someone's going to be on my ass about production this week...)
[info]thudd
2004-12-09 05:01 am UTC (link)
13 trucks a day? Must have been a good day.
I'll tell you, it's a miracle this nation can get 5 done a day.
For as much as they pay the mechanics out here, you think they could afford to check their credentials and supply them with adequate resources. I also fault the SOP of "hurry up and wait" and "cheaper is better."

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[info]darklady_produc
2004-12-09 06:22 am UTC (link)
It's times like this that I wish I were religious. If I were, then I could believe that there's a special place in hell for people like Bush and Rumsfield.

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Amputation rate for U.S.troops twice that of past wars
[info]taosbat
2004-12-10 07:22 pm UTC (link)
The survival rate is up, too:

December 9, 2004

By Raja Mishra, Boston Globe

U.S. troops injured in Iraq have required limb amputations at twice the rate of past wars, and as many as 20 percent have suffered head and neck injuries that may require a lifetime of care, according to new data giving the clearest picture yet of the severity of battlefield wounds.

The data are the grisly flip side of improvements in battlefield medicine that have saved many combatants who would have died in the past: Only 1 in 10 U.S. troops injured in Iraq has died, the lowest rate of any war in U.S. history.

...

Responding to the large number of amputations, scientists at Brown University in Providence and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Wednesday announced a $7.2 million research program to design more functional prosthetic limbs. The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs is paying for the work.

Data compiled by the U.S. Senate, and included in the 2005 defense appropriations bill in support of a request for increased funding for the care of amputees at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, reveal that 6 percent of those wounded in Iraq have required amputations, compared with a rate of 3 percent for past wars.

According to Brown Medical School's Dr. Roy Aaron, the current VA medical system "literally cannot handle the load" of amputees.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2004/12/09/amputation_rate_for_us_troops_twice_that_of_past_wars/

If that URL expires, I put the whole article here:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/taosbat/4388.html

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Re: Amputation rate for U.S.troops twice that of past wars
[info]noressa
2004-12-14 08:01 pm UTC (link)
So, let me get this straight.

They're not offered the protections they need to have a higher survival rate. Those that are surviving are getting more life-altering surgeries then every before, at appx. twice the amount of past wars, and the solution is (instead of getting the right armor out, etc) to make better prosthetics?

Reminds me of the fable of the town that lived on a cliff. Every year, several people would die from falling off the cliff. At the bottom of the cliff, they made some sort of landing pad, emergency vehicle access and "clean up" materials so when it happened, people would have the best chance of surviving, and it could be cleaned up with relative ease. Millions were spent on this project. When the community asked to put a fence up around the cliff edge, they government pointed to all the money they'd spent on the amenities and the fence was never built.

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Re: Amputation rate for U.S.troops twice that of past wars
[info]taosbat
2004-12-15 12:34 am UTC (link)
I don't know where you heard that 'fable;' but, yes, you pretty much got it straight. In fact it's all simulated 'much-needed' research into prosthetics- high-tech solutions for amputee vets, & (WARNING: GRAPHIC PICTURES) linked from the Daily Kos, a photo essay in the New England Journal of Medicine Caring for the Wounded in Iraq.

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Re: Amputation rate for U.S.troops twice that of past wars
[info]noressa
2004-12-15 05:58 am UTC (link)
It was from an eating for fitness class I took. The analogy there being it's easier to treat your body right from the start then look for medical attention and never address the cause.

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